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Squawkbox => Public Discussion => Topic started by: Danny Rice on January 09, 2018, 09:25:22 am

Title: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Danny Rice on January 09, 2018, 09:25:22 am
FLAi sound great.  Will there be any GA and/or helicopter AI models?

Thanks

Danny
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on January 09, 2018, 02:16:59 pm
Yes, we will continue to have support for both.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ira Robinson on January 10, 2018, 08:53:22 pm
WoW!   Just WoW!  Gentlemen, you have outdone yourselves.  Just outstanding work.  Thank you doesn't seem like enough, but it's all we have. So thank you.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on January 13, 2018, 06:36:59 pm
This sounds absolutely fantastic.  I can't wait.  And I can't imagine the amount of time I currently spend maintaining my AI library and tweaking the model matching rules suddenly being freed up.

Next, a comprehensive scenery update for the whole US, right?  (Hey, a guy can dream, LOL...)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jackson Rhodes on January 14, 2018, 12:11:39 pm
Do we have an expected release date or quarter


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Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on January 14, 2018, 12:35:16 pm
Do we have an expected release date or quarter
Likely within a few weeks.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Stanford Kenyon on January 15, 2018, 08:56:58 am
Sounds great. Can't wait to get started.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on January 15, 2018, 12:37:48 pm
Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on January 15, 2018, 03:26:11 pm
Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?

Good question. Currently we do not have support for legacy airlines. We wanted to keep the filesize down as best as we could to improve load times. If there is a need for them then we will definitely reconsider. This being said, you are more than welcome to add them yourself. All you have to do is create a texture folder within the specific aircraft type for that livery called callsign - airline name (i.e. PAA - Panam). Once this is accomplished you can add the entry to the aircraft.cfg like normal, and the model matching code we have written will automatically recognize the addition.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on January 15, 2018, 09:46:09 pm
Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?
If you have a few that specifically you'd like to see, I think we could add those in. Right MR?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on January 15, 2018, 10:57:27 pm
Question -- does the library contain support for legacy airlines, such as Pan Am, Continental, Eastern, etcetera?
If you have a few that specifically you'd like to see, I think we could add those in. Right MR?
I definitely recommend the exact three I mentioned, in that case.  :-)   And, it's not just for myself -- I definitely notice there are PAA, COA, and EAL callsigns tooling around the US on VAT-Spy from time to time.  Moreso Pan Am and Continental, really, and even TWA every now and then, now that I think of it.  So you could start with those and work in others as you decide it's worth it.

I also understand it might not be top priority -- but, a worthwhile suggestion, I hope, for enhancing the project!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on January 17, 2018, 04:36:55 pm
I will definitely try to implement it in future versions. What we believe is the final release candidate was sent to the beta testers last night. I was able to include model matching for COA, NWA, AWE, and TRS. The issue with the Panam an Eastern Airlines flying is that we don't have the aircraft models for them. The AI aircraft developer who does have the 707, 717, 727, and A310 refused to give us permission to use their models a while ago. Although we developed workarounds, we don't have the aircraft for the full fleet of retro airlines. I will definitely keep this in mind though, and try to implement it in future versions!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on January 17, 2018, 08:49:05 pm
Yah, no worries -- I'm sure you're dealing with a vast web of licensing nightmares, LOL!

If it helps, if I had to guess, the majority of the time I see a PAA callsign online (myself included), it's a 744.  (I guess the slight catch is that Pan Am's 747s were properly -100s and -200s.  I'm not sure how much you're bending reality with these, but, that might end up posing an impass as well.)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Richard Kinne on January 24, 2018, 05:53:59 pm
Another fantastic little thing that BVA has done, especially for new people to the network. I've already benefited from BVA's updated airport files, updating KBOS, and now I can look forward to this. Modelling for new players -
 even killing off your simulator's AI aircraft - can be a confusing process for new people.

Many thanks!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: David Ballard on January 24, 2018, 10:19:08 pm
My first post on the forum and I just wanted to say this is great news! I can’t wait for the release.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on January 24, 2018, 10:24:22 pm
My first post on the forum
Welcome!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on January 26, 2018, 10:17:25 am
It looks fantastic gentlemen. Do you have any pictures and perhaps a list of the GA aircraft that are contained? As a P3D user, I do hope the venerable C172 has been added since P3D doesn’t have this aircraft.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on January 26, 2018, 12:12:00 pm
We have definitely made a point of ensuring there is good model matching available for general aviation. I can't speak to precisely which models are included, but I'm sure Matthew will be able to reply with more.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on January 26, 2018, 05:12:42 pm
It looks fantastic gentlemen. Do you have any pictures and perhaps a list of the GA aircraft that are contained? As a P3D user, I do hope the venerable C172 has been added since P3D doesn’t have this aircraft.

Hey Lantz,
    Thank you for the kind words! I'm going to split this post up into two sections: Airliner and General Aviation.
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With the airliners, BVAI supports the following aircraft with fully functional AI for both FSX and P3D V4:

Airbus:
A318, A319, A320, A321, A332, A333, A342, A343, A345, A346, A359, A388.

Aérospatiale:
ATR42, ATR72, Concorde.

Beechcraft:
B1900D

Boeing:
B732, B733, B734, B735, B736, B737, B738, B739, B741, B742, B743, B744, B748, B752, B753, B762, B763, B764, B772, B773, B77L, B77W, B788, B789.

Bombardier:
CRJ2, CRJ7, CRJ9, CRJ1000, DH8B, DH8C, DH8D.

British Aerospace:
BAE 146

Embraer:
E170, E175, E75L, E75S (Yes, there is definitely a difference), E140, E145.

McDonnell Douglas
MD11, MD80, DC91, DC93, DC94, DC95.

Fokker:
F50

Saab:
Saab 340, Saab 2000.

General Aviation AI supported in both FSX and P3D V4:

Pilatus PC12
Baron 55
Baron 58
Bonanza A-36
G8 Airvan
DHC6 Twin Otter
Cessna 172, C208
Cessna C402, C404, C414, and C421 (For you Cape Air flyers)
King Air A100, F90, C99, B200, and C90
Sorts SD330/360
BN2 Islander
Hawker HS125
Beechjet 400
Learjet LJ23, LJ24, LJ25, LJ31, and LJ35
Gulfstream GII, GIV, GV
DC3/C47
Citation 510, 550, 750
Challenger 604/605
Embraer Phenom
Global Express
Piper PA28, PA31
Cirrus SR22
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Please keep in mind this list is changing every day as we add or subtract aircraft that are not quite optimized for P3D V4. The airlines are a lot easier because you have a set callsign and aircraft type that Vpilot can use to scan and find a match within the BVAI package. General Aviation is a lot tougher because you can have any set of number or letters.. i.e. N_ _ _ _ _. The model matching code relies solely on the user's aircraft type to match the correct AI model, which is causing some issues. We're currently working through these issues. We're also seeking to improve load times with FSX and P3D V4. The more aircraft you have, the longer the sim takes to load. Aircraft like the Russian Antonov-70 are fun to have in the sim, but are seen very few and far between on the network.. if at all. Even after release, we will continue to provide hotfixes and updates to improve this list.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on January 26, 2018, 06:33:24 pm
Matthew, wow! What a list! It was more than I could have hoped for. Really looking forward to the initial release.


Lantz
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Danny Rice on January 27, 2018, 10:03:59 am
Any AI helicopters?

Danny
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on January 28, 2018, 05:19:49 pm
Any AI helicopters?

Danny

AI Helicopters are a tough one. Throughout the beta testing, we've used one single model to cover all helicopters. So far we've tried three helicopter models across eight beta versions with little to no success. The helicopter aspect of AI modeling is just not quite there yet in P3D V4. We're gonna keep trying to incorporate some sort of helicopter model, but it's not at the top of our priority list for this first version.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Michael Scott on January 29, 2018, 09:59:12 am
Wow wow wow is all I can say !

Looks fantastic gentlemen  :D
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on January 29, 2018, 11:42:21 am
A quick note concerning the regional airline model matching as I've recieved a few questions about it.

One aspect of BVAI that will be implemented is regional model matching. As a frequent regional flyer myself, nothing bothers me more than seeing a default aircraft in the place of what should be a regional jet.  {...}
The amount of extremely thorough forethought that has gone into this project is VERY, VERY impressive.

I call BS on it being a "quick" note, however   :-)

EDIT: I also love how Michael Scott was the first one to comment after "his" scene from The Office was referenced :-)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ross Carlson on January 29, 2018, 12:17:09 pm
One thing to note, this will not work if you have multiple AI Packages installed. There are too many variables going on to match the correct livery with the callsign and aircraft type. We’ve found through beta testing that any additional packages installed will interfere with our model matching file, and cause Vpilot to crash.

MR, can we touch base via email or phone/TS about the above? This should not be the case at all. You should be able to run multiple packages and set the priority for model matching, such that, e.g. vPilot will use BVAI's model matching rules first, then fall back to other packages.

And it certainly should not cause vPilot to crash!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on January 29, 2018, 04:40:17 pm
Hey Ross, no problem. I will send you an e-mail shortly.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Danny Rice on February 05, 2018, 09:57:59 am
Any update information?

Danny
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on February 05, 2018, 06:21:47 pm
Any update information?
Ever since BVAI's announcement, the team (specifically Matt) has been approached with many comments and suggestions. Those pieces of feedback have continued to improve BVAI's capability. Rather than releasing BVAI and then immediately pushing dozens of updates, Matt would rather share a final product (with less need for immediate updates).

Matt can explain further, as necessary, but what my main point is that staying patient will pay off and you'll be getting an even better product.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on February 05, 2018, 07:15:45 pm
Ever since BVAI's announcement, the team (specifically Matt) has been approached with many comments and suggestions. Those pieces of feedback have continued to improve BVAI's capability.
Oops.  Partially my bad.  EVERYBODY STOP MAKING SUGGESTIONS IMMEDIATELY!

... lol...
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Danny Rice on February 06, 2018, 10:26:13 am
Thanks.....suggestions are good.....Danny
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on February 06, 2018, 02:10:39 pm
I'm assuming that BN's post not so much trying to limit good suggestions, but was aimed more at not incessantly hounding MR et al for release.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on February 06, 2018, 02:57:28 pm
I'm assuming that BN's post not so much trying to limit good suggestions, but was aimed more at not incessantly hounding MR et al for release.

Correct, thank you Don - I apologize to all if my response was poorly worded.

As I stated above, the suggestions and feedback are a great thing. Although they may be delaying BVAI's release, they improve the development and will result in a better product. Some things that were not thought of before have now been incorporated into BVAI, thanks to those who provided suggestions, comments, etc.

For those of you who want the best finished product possible, keep those suggestions coming! For those of you are impatient...well...just keep asking for updates and a release date and we'll keep coming back with the same answer: Soon  :)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on February 06, 2018, 05:08:07 pm
Did my

Quote
... lol ...

not adequately portray that I was kidding?

Sorry!   :-[
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on February 06, 2018, 05:12:05 pm
Hi Rob,

I think both Don and I's responses were directed at Danny. It's hard to tell what he's trying to convey through this post:

Thanks.....suggestions are good.....Danny

Regardless, I wanted to provide a general clarification.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on February 07, 2018, 05:28:54 am
Rob -- I got it, no worries. :)  BN is correct...
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Youp Oosterwegel on March 04, 2018, 05:26:30 pm
Any new updates on the project? Btw, keep up the good work because it looks awesome!

Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on March 04, 2018, 06:55:36 pm
Any new updates on the project?

From February 13th:

The installer is coming along very well . . . We will share more information about the installer very soon.

More information and updates will be posted as they become available.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: David Ballard on March 12, 2018, 08:11:47 am
It’s been quiet for a while so I’m assuming that’s a good thing? Any updates or screenshots?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on March 12, 2018, 12:55:38 pm
It’s been quiet for a while so I’m assuming that’s a good thing? Any updates or screenshots?
More information and updates will be posted as they become available.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Joshua Marshall on March 13, 2018, 01:06:55 am
Any new updates here Camden?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on March 13, 2018, 07:39:21 am
OMG....  Do you realize he probably has access to firearms?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sean Doyle on March 13, 2018, 03:24:17 pm
OMG....  Do you realize he probably has access to firearms?

I laughed harder at this then I should have
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jackson Rhodes on March 14, 2018, 08:51:20 am
OMG....  Do you realize he probably has access to firearms?
Bahahaha


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Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 15, 2018, 02:16:48 am
Hey Cam, Any new updates?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Camden Bruno on March 15, 2018, 12:42:12 pm
Hey Cam, Any new updates?
I'll ask my friend Matt Miller and get back to you.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 15, 2018, 01:09:17 pm
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vi0tje6xfWs
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on March 15, 2018, 02:56:10 pm
Applicable to BVAI but much more so to swift.....  ;D
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 15, 2018, 08:36:12 pm
And, to a lesser extent, CTP...
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on March 17, 2018, 10:03:41 am
One thought that comes to mind is how should we prepare our simulator setups for this installation when it does get released. For example, I know mine is full of old WOAI Files, BVARTCC Model Matching Files, etc. I would like to make sure this new release you’ve worked so hard on, is the only model matching program vPilot is using. Plus, I don’t need the old model matching folders taking up space on my hard drive. What should we look for and how should we uninstall/delete unwanted files?


Lantz
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sean Doyle on March 17, 2018, 10:53:31 am
One thought that comes to mind is how should we prepare our simulator setups for this installation when it does get released. For example, I know mine is full of old WOAI Files, BVARTCC Model Matching Files, etc. I would like to make sure this new release you’ve worked so hard on, is the only model matching program vPilot is using. Plus, I don’t need the old model matching folders taking up space on my hard drive. What should we look for and how should we uninstall/delete unwanted files?


Lantz

Lantz, if you’re like me all of your WOAI models were listed at the bottom of the simobjects folder. Remove those and start vPilot and it will update. I then installed BVAi and vPilot updated again on the install.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on March 17, 2018, 02:46:33 pm
One thought that comes to mind is how should we prepare our simulator setups for this installation when it does get released. For example, I know mine is full of old WOAI Files, BVARTCC Model Matching Files, etc. I would like to make sure this new release you’ve worked so hard on, is the only model matching program vPilot is using. Plus, I don’t need the old model matching folders taking up space on my hard drive. What should we look for and how should we uninstall/delete unwanted files?


Lantz

Lantz, if you’re like me all of your WOAI models were listed at the bottom of the simobjects folder. Remove those and start vPilot and it will update. I then installed BVAi and vPilot updated again on the install.

Thanks Sean.


Lantz
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Youp Oosterwegel on March 19, 2018, 05:22:57 am
I fly on vatsim for a long time and since im dutch most of the flights are out of the Netherlands. There are two airlines which are in none of the current model matching packages, so I was wondering if you included them and if not if you could include them because they are flown by a lot of people flying in and out to Schiphol.
These are the airlines:
Corendon Dutch airlines (Callsign CND) fleet = 737-800
TUI Netherlands (Callsign TFL) Fleet = 737-800 scimitars and 787-800

greetings,

Youp Oosterwegel
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 19, 2018, 06:39:22 am
Great question Youp. I'll split your question into two parts. Don't mind the picture quality. The airplanes look a lot better in sim:

First, Corendon is definitely in there. That was one of the first liveries to be added to the 737-800 AI. You might know more than me, but I have Corendon under the callsign "CAI". Is there a difference between CAI and CND? If so, I'll definitely add the necessary model matching rules.

(https://i.imgur.com/AFyEvX2.png)

TUI is also in the package, but I have this under the "TUI" callsign. I believe this is TUI Deutschland. I would definitely like to make sure I have all callsigns for TUI within the model matching. TUI and all of its divisions has been a challenge for me, but if I can make it correct before the open beta is released then I will. I've seen Arkefly, TUIFly, TUIFly Nordic, TUIFly Netherlands, TUIFly Deutschland, and Thomson. Correct me if I'm wrong but I've found the following:

TUI Fly Belgium - JAF (737-700, 737-800, 737 MAX, 767-300, 787-800, and E190)
TUI Fly Deutschland - TUI (737-700, 737-800, 737 MAX)
TUI Fly Netherlands - TFL (737-800, 767-300, 787-800)
TUI Airways or Tomson - TOM (737-800, 737 Max, 757-200, 767-300, 787-800, 787-900)
TUI Fly Nordic - BLX (737-800, 737 Max)

I will add a separate section within the model matching for all the possible TUI callsigns as there is a lot. This will include not just the 737's but also the 787's and 767's. We did something similar with Norwegian and it's IBK, NAX, and NLH callsigns, and the regional model matching and that's working like a charm. It does require some common sense for the pilot to file the right callsign, but it is expected most pilots will not spell out "TUIFLY" when they sign onto the network.

(https://i.imgur.com/AVPTwgV.jpg)

As for the rest of the major airlines out of Schipol, we have also included all of KLM (Even KLC), Transavia, Vueling, and Martinair. Smaller ones such as Aegean, Air Malta, Air Mauritius, Air Baltic, AtlasGlobal, Flybe, Jet Airways, LOT, Skywork, Pegasus, TAP, TAROM, SunExpress Deutschland... etc are all there. Taking a quick peek at EHAM on Wikipedia, all of the airlines listed are in the package. Feel free to ask more. It helps me look through and see if we've not only made mistakes but also if there's something you guys really want to see.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Youp Oosterwegel on March 19, 2018, 09:57:40 am
Thanks for the quick reply Matthew. There is a difference between CAI and CND, CND is the dutch variant of corendon. The only difference between the two is that CND operates with airplanes with a dutch registration(PH-...) and CAI operates with TC-... registrations. Their callsigns are different to so is CND=Dutch Corendon and CAI=corendon. As I saw in your picture was that you guys still use the old livery instead of the new ones. These are the new ones in case you guys are willing to re-do it:
CND new livery: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/784345/ph-cdh-corendon-dutch-airlines-boeing-737-800/

CAI new livery: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/923149/tc-tjt-corendon-airlines-boeing-737-800/

They are basically the same just a different registration. CAI also has a few 737-800 scimitars:
https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/745923/tc-tjs-corendon-airlines-boeing-737-800/

About TUI, arkefly has changed into TUI Netherlands and now have TUI in big letters on their planes instead of arkefly: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1003289/ph-tfd-tuifly-boeing-737-800/

The last thing I wanted to ask if you guys have added the klm 737-900 in the sky team livery and if not I you guys are planning to do so? This is the one im talking about: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/984643/ph-bxo-klm-boeing-737-900/

If you guys need to know anything about European airlines I am willing to help you guys as much as possible and I just wanted to apologize if my English isn't perfect and if I asked to much. Thank you guys for this project because it wil help this community a lot!

Greetings,

Youp Oosterwegel
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 20, 2018, 04:39:35 am
After a few hours of adding textures and coding, I've managed to add all of your requests. I'm glad we were able to fix this as all of these airlines, callsigns, and aircraft models are very common on Vatsim especially around the Amsterdam FIR. Bare with me as the tools we use to display AI aircraft will not show multiple liveries within the same texture folder. We use this method to conform towards the P3D SDK, but also for organization with the model matching. I'll do my best to explain.

Corendon was the easiest. I was able to find the correct livery with winglets and scimitars. I have configured the model matching so whenever someone logs on with either CDN or CAI as a B738, Vpilot will randomly choose whether to show the plane with winglets or scimitars.

(https://i.imgur.com/mLiVWbJ.jpg)

Now with the TUIGroup additions I did some research. You are correct in that regular TUI Fly Netherlands has the TUI in big letters. TUI Fly Belgium seems to also have the big TUI letters, but gray scimitars instead of blue. TUI Fly Nordic has "Tuifly" spelled out with blue scimitars, and the all blue 737-800. So, I have configured model matching to depict the correct livery based on the callsign just like we did with the regional airlines.

When someone logs onto the network with the following callsigns BVAI will display the following liveries:

Callsign "TFL as a B738" will display this livery: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1003289/ph-tfd-tuifly-boeing-737-800/
Callsign "JAF as a B738" will display this livery: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/985078/oo-jlo-tui-airlines-belgium-boeing-737-800/ (Pretty much the same)
Callsign "BLX as a B738" will display this livery: https://airlinersgallery.smugmug.com/Airlines-Europe-1/Airlines-Sweden/TUIfly-Nordic/i-kfQ86zL/A (In scimitars)
or this livery: https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/64/TuiFly_Nordic.png
Callsign "TUI as a B738" will display this livery: https://www.airplane-pictures.net/photo/1030078/d-atur-tuifly-boeing-737-800/

I have also added model matching code for the 737 Max. So, if someone files any of those callsigns as B7M8 or B38M, it will display the correct livery. For example, if someone logged onto the network as BLX225, a B38M, BVAI would correctly depict a TUI Nordic 737-800 with scimitars.

https://flightaware.com/live/flight/BLX225/history/20180320/0745Z/EFHK/GCTS

Next, I have taken the TUI flying a step further to ensure it is correct. I have added separate liveries for the TUI Netherlands, TUI Belgium, and TUI Thomson, and regular TUI flying. Again, the livery will depend on the callsign the pilot files on the network. I have attached two examples below. Don't worry about the weird effects where the lights should be. That's just the AI software we're using, and will not show up in the sim.

(https://i.imgur.com/TXqk2X7.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/jFVmNvr.jpg)

I have also added the TUI B789, TUI B763, JAF 737-700, and TUI 737-700.

Finally, the KLM Sky Team has been added. Just like the Corendon 737's, it's a 50/50 chance you will see either this livery or the regular KLM livery when a pilot logs onto the network as a KLM B739. There's no way to set percentages in model matching so a certain livery only shows up 20% of the time. Believe me I've tried.

(https://i.imgur.com/r7OBFFv.jpg)

Once you get the open beta you'll better understand how the model matching works. Thank you for the suggestions!

Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jackson Rhodes on March 20, 2018, 02:29:11 pm
"The next update will most probably concern instructions for downloading the public beta!"

Ooo Fancy!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 20, 2018, 04:09:03 pm
There's no way to set percentages in model matching so a certain livery only shows up 20% of the time. Believe me I've tried.
I'm not an expert but just curious -- have you tried repeating modelNameA four times followed by modelNameB one time?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 21, 2018, 05:35:10 am
There's no way to set percentages in model matching so a certain livery only shows up 20% of the time. Believe me I've tried.
I'm not an expert but just curious -- have you tried repeating modelNameA four times followed by modelNameB one time?

Great point. There's really two ways you could go about this.

The first being what you explained. Add modelNameA four times followed by modelNameB one time. Because of the number of special liveries in BVAI, this would make the model matching file cluttered and disorganized in my opinion. Why have four of the same code when the odds are still random?

The second way would be to create multiple texturedot's within the aircraft model that contains the same texture, then have one texture with the special livery. For example, let's use the KLM Skyteam and KLM regular scheme. Using this method, I would create four texture.KLM folders, each with different derivatives of KLM to avoid the multiple textures of the same name error on sim startup. This might be texture.KLMStandard, texture.KLMRegular, texture.KLMSameasbefore, and texture.KLMIranoutofnames. Then I would create one texture.KLMSkyteam and add the what was zero lines of code into five lines of code within the model matching file. Using this process for every single special livery would double.. even triple flight sim load times. That's something we're definitely trying to avoid. Vpilot does an excellent job matching the callsign and aircraft model to the correct AI livery and model with no performance impact.

Even with the busiest of events, the issue of multiple special liveries is quite small. We tested this theory out during the Mile High City FNO back in December, and the Good Morning Seattle event last month. Although there were numerous people flying SWA B737's, there was enough variety to where it wasn't all the same livery. Currently, the BVAI SWA B737 file has five textures within it. One is Heart One with Scimitars, one is the regular new livery with scimitars, two are the old livery with winglets, and one is Illinois One. Quick math shows there is a 20% chance two out of every five pilot's logged onto the network with a SWA B737 will have the same livery, and even then it's most likely going to be the new livery or the old livery. This is pretty much the case with most major airlines that have multiple liveries in use within BVAI (i.e. Alaska, Southwest, Jetblue, Frontier, Sunwing, American heritage A319's, LATAM, Bangkok Air, GoAir... etc). Hopefully, that explanation made some sense. It's 3:30AM and I'm ready for bed.  ;)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 21, 2018, 01:07:53 pm
Sounds good.  It was just a thought, and it sounds like that thought was given plenty of due consideration.  I'm looking forward to giving this a try!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Szymon Puzdrowski on March 30, 2018, 10:17:32 am
Any new updates here Camd ... wait what? IT'S OUT?!

Fantastic job MR! Reading this thread and your exchanges with Youp made me realize how much work and knowledge goes into making a hyper accurate model matching package. Though I don't fly an FSX based sim, I'm really happy the simulation community has now access to this new, extraordinary, completely free tool.

Additionally, big credits to all the creators who agreed to include their models and liveries in BVAI.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sean Doyle on March 30, 2018, 10:25:30 am
I don’t think I gave you permission to use my screenshot on the splash screen  ;)

(Completely aware that since I posted it here BVA owns it, I’m actually flattered)  ;D
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on March 30, 2018, 10:56:16 am
PI said it perfectly.  Thanks to the developers for sharing, the testers for their time and expertise, to RT, MR and PI for creating the project, and to MR for leading this extremely important project for the community through!  Great job!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: David Ballard on March 30, 2018, 11:08:42 am
I followed all the instructions but in Vpilot under advanced for model matching the new models do not appear. What did I do wrong?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Danny Rice on March 30, 2018, 11:55:10 am
If installing to P3DV4 outside of the main sim directory (in the addon manner) you need to run the sim to load the addon, then, things will work as described.  I didn't do that initially and didn't see the expected information in Vpilot matching area either.

Danny
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Eli Schwartz on March 30, 2018, 01:15:47 pm
I keep getting a couple issues when trying to download the installer. When I try to run setup.exe as an administrator, I get two things:

1) Windows error: "Windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permissions to access the item." (I opened it from my Downloads folder)

2) My Norton doesn't like it. It gives me the WS.Reputation.1 error and deletes the file and doesn't let me restore it.

I tried taking ownership of the file, changing my permissions and Windows still gives me the same error (#1)...hasn't happened before. Is there a way I can bypass these errors?

Cheers!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 30, 2018, 02:28:16 pm
I keep getting a couple issues when trying to download the installer. When I try to run setup.exe as an administrator, I get two things:

1) Windows error: "Windows cannot access the specified device, path, or file. You may not have the appropriate permissions to access the item." (I opened it from my Downloads folder)

2) My Norton doesn't like it. It gives me the WS.Reputation.1 error and deletes the file and doesn't let me restore it.

I tried taking ownership of the file, changing my permissions and Windows still gives me the same error (#1)...hasn't happened before. Is there a way I can bypass these errors?

Cheers!

Eli,
   Thank you for letting us know about this isuse. We haven't really had someone test BVAI with anti-virus software like Norton. I can assure you there is nothing that will harm your computer with the installer. The installer just provides an easy means to install BVAI, and update it. And there are not serials associated with it. Let me look into Norton. It sounds like it's an issue of BVA not being a certified developer. If you or anyone else do figure out a way to bypass please let us know.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 30, 2018, 02:41:27 pm
I followed all the instructions but in Vpilot under advanced for model matching the new models do not appear. What did I do wrong?

Please send me an e-mail at the bottom of the BVAI website and we can look into it. It's probably an easy fix.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Eli Schwartz on March 30, 2018, 04:58:40 pm
Thanks Matthew! I think that’s what it is too, not the software itself. I’m going to do some research tonight too I think and see if there’s a way to bypass it. I’ll let you know if I find anything!

Cheers!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sharath Mahadevan on March 30, 2018, 05:41:45 pm
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Source : https://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854-99&vid=4294919973&product=Norton%20Security&version=22.12.1.15&plang=sym:EN&layouttype=ESD&buildname=Retail&heartbeatID=5075B853-2022-44D7-B76B-BDC9D6E8E393&eapenabled=false&env=prod&vendorid=1000&plid=763&plgid=30&skup=21351161&skum=21376863&skuf=21352082&endpointid=5075B853-2022-44D7-B76B-BDC9D6E8E393&partnerid=1000&lic_type=16&lic_attr=16928786&psn=KJMVXDFDCVHC&puid=5039&templatecat=SBU_W_1000_5039_NS_ESD_2&schemacat=SBU_W&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=SESD&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso:IND&oslang=iso:ENG&os=windows (https://www.symantec.com/security_response/writeup.jsp?docid=2010-051308-1854-99&vid=4294919973&product=Norton%20Security&version=22.12.1.15&plang=sym:EN&layouttype=ESD&buildname=Retail&heartbeatID=5075B853-2022-44D7-B76B-BDC9D6E8E393&eapenabled=false&env=prod&vendorid=1000&plid=763&plgid=30&skup=21351161&skum=21376863&skuf=21352082&endpointid=5075B853-2022-44D7-B76B-BDC9D6E8E393&partnerid=1000&lic_type=16&lic_attr=16928786&psn=KJMVXDFDCVHC&puid=5039&templatecat=SBU_W_1000_5039_NS_ESD_2&schemacat=SBU_W&schemaver=1.0.0.0&olpchannel=SESD&osvers=10.0&oslocale=iso:IND&oslang=iso:ENG&os=windows)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Szymon Puzdrowski on March 30, 2018, 07:23:02 pm
Sharath,

Thank you for your concerns!
I can definitely appreciate your skepticism when your Antivirus is showing you this kind of message, especially after recent events ... in the flight simulation world.
Let me take a minute to explain why you're seeing this message.

BVAI (or at least open beta) is taking advantage of Windows' ClickOnce software distribution method. Through it, we can update the installer with bug fixes and distribute the new version to users quickly, as every time you start BVAI Operations Center, it will automatically check for updates and seamlessly update (with your permission).

Now, Windows uses Trust Certificates to verify that an application is coming from a credible source. In order to sign an application with such a certificate, you have to purchase it from a company that will do a background check on your company. That is expensive. $1000 kind of expensive. This being a free package created by volunteers means we unfortunately we can't afford it.

The specific warning you see is not a "we found a virus!" message, it's rather "hey this software is not signed by anybody well known" type of message.
Additionally, here is a regular executable zipped with some config files that you can throw onto some of the online virus checkers. I guarantee you will not find any viruses.

http://bvaicdn.bvartcc.com/download/BVAI_Operations_Center_v1.zip

Thanks,
Szymon.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Eli Schwartz on March 30, 2018, 10:07:39 pm
Problem Solved! There are a couple quick fixes you have to do to bypass your antivirus if you're using Norton. First, when the setup.exe file is in your Downloads folder, before you open it, do this:

Right-click the file and select "File Insight". That will open up the file in Norton. Select "Trust Now" and that part should be all set.

Next: Go back into Norton. Under Settings>Antivirus>Scans and Risks scroll down to "Exclusions/Low Risks". Under that should be "Signatures to Exclude from All Detections", click Cofigure. That will bring up the Security Risks window (give it a minute to load, it takes some time). Select "Insight Network Threat" from the dropdown, select WS.Reputation.1, click Add, then Apply and OK and then you should be all set to run setup.exe (if it doesn't run - which it should - run it as an Administrator). It will prompt you with the unknown publisher stuff, just hit run. Worked like a charm!

Hope this helps! I've attached some screenshots I took in the order I described as well:
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 30, 2018, 11:01:30 pm
Gah!  Wish I'd seen this post before getting halfway through my flight into Seattle!  I'm too chicken to try installing it with the sim running, lol... you can bet I'll be testing the ---- out of it between now and CTP!

Nice work, friends -- can't wait to try it out!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sharath Mahadevan on March 31, 2018, 01:20:27 am
Thank you for your concerns!
I can definitely appreciate your skepticism when your Antivirus is showing you this kind of message, especially after recent events ... in the flight simulation world.
Let me take a minute to explain why you're seeing this message.
Hi Szymon,
I should have written more earlier. lol
I just wanted to show Eli Schwartz that WS1.Reputation.1 is shown when its relatively new to the norton community and is not digitally signed like you said. But what you said should clear off any concerns if any to other users.

Happy Easter :D
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 31, 2018, 01:50:03 am
That is the snarkiest installer I've ever seen.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 31, 2018, 02:24:04 am
So far with a tiny bit of testing I am VERY impressed.  This is a fantastic package.  As of yet I've been unable to "stump" it with flights currently on the network except for one SWA that was logged in using an Airbus.  Showed up as a plain Airbus.
 That much, I expect.

This was the only slight glitch I saw just now (using FSX Accelleration -- need any other info to troubleshoot?  let me know)...
(https://i.imgur.com/1V9xeDL.jpg)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 31, 2018, 03:16:10 am
So far with a tiny bit of testing I am VERY impressed.  This is a fantastic package.  As of yet I've been unable to "stump" it with flights currently on the network except for one SWA that was logged in using an Airbus.  Showed up as a plain Airbus.
 That much, I expect.

This was the only slight glitch I saw just now (using FSX Accelleration -- need any other info to troubleshoot?  let me know)...
(https://i.imgur.com/1V9xeDL.jpg)

Thanks for the report! I think adding an alpha channel to the Cape Air texture may have caused it to go green. The props are black because I forgot to add the Cessna 402 prop texture. My bad! As for the model sinking into the ground, I have another HTAI Cessna 402c model that I'll give a try. I think using the current model.mdl may have caused it to sink. I have uploaded the changes to our server, and you can expect the update in Version 5 of BVAI.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Youp Oosterwegel on March 31, 2018, 04:12:29 am
I just came home to check the package and I must say it looks amazing. I was looking in the folder with all the bvai models and I couldn't see the Dutch Corendon(CND) livery only the normal Corendon(CAI), so I was wondering if I missed it or if you guys forget to put it in the package?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 31, 2018, 04:22:16 am
I just came home to check the package and I must say it looks amazing. I was looking in the folder with all the bvai models and I couldn't see the Dutch Corendon(CND) livery only the normal Corendon(CAI), so I was wondering if I missed it or if you guys forget to put it in the package?

Hey Youp,
   You are correct. To make things more organized I put both Dutch Corendon and normal Corendon into the CAI-Corendon folder. If you click on the texture.CAI-Corendon, you will see NC and SSW. This makes it so whenever someone logs onto the network as CAI_ _ _, Vpilot will choose at random between Scimitars and winglets. Now, for CND you can see the beauty of the VMR file. Instead of adding a whole new texture.CND-Corendon with the same liveries, all I have to do is add a line of code in the model matching for CND. If you look, you'll see:

<ModelMatchRule CallsignPrefix="CDN" TypeCode="B738" ModelName="BVA_FAIB_B738_CAI-Corendon SSW//BVA_FAIB_B738_CAI-Corendon NC" />

This acts just like the CAI model matching, but I don't have to add a new texture folder. This lack of another whole texture folder decreases loading times and increases performance that much more. Whenever someone logs onto the network as CDN_ _ _, it will still model match to Corendon, and pick at random scimitars or winglets. This also puts into perspective how important it is to have that VMR file properly installed into Vpilot. Without it, Vpilot would not recognize this rule.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Youp Oosterwegel on March 31, 2018, 06:10:43 am
Did you put the Callsign prefix as CDN? Because ifso it should CND. Thanks for the quick reply.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on March 31, 2018, 07:54:52 am
I think adding an alpha channel to the Cape Air texture may have caused it to go green. The props are black because I forgot to add the Cessna 402 prop texture. My bad! As for the model sinking into the ground, I have another HTAI Cessna 402c model that I'll give a try. I think using the current model.mdl may have caused it to sink.
Hah!  Well, I was only pointing out the props.  :-)  I don't know what the KAP livery's supposed to look like so I didn't see the alpha issue.  And I always chalk up a bit of sinking to differences in scenery meshes from one user to another.  But, if you say those are problems to be fixed, I believe you!  :-)

Is this thread an okay place to make reports like that?  And was there more information I should have provided other than the screen from the .aircraft page?  Seems like that plus knowing which simulator I use gave you everything you needed, right?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 31, 2018, 09:21:10 am
Did you put the Callsign prefix as CDN? Because ifso it should CND. Thanks for the quick reply.

Good catch! I did accidentally put CDN. I have changed this to CND, and it will be available in the version 5 update.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 31, 2018, 09:24:03 am
I think adding an alpha channel to the Cape Air texture may have caused it to go green. The props are black because I forgot to add the Cessna 402 prop texture. My bad! As for the model sinking into the ground, I have another HTAI Cessna 402c model that I'll give a try. I think using the current model.mdl may have caused it to sink.
Hah!  Well, I was only pointing out the props.  :-)  I don't know what the KAP livery's supposed to look like so I didn't see the alpha issue.  And I always chalk up a bit of sinking to differences in scenery meshes from one user to another.  But, if you say those are problems to be fixed, I believe you!  :-)

Is this thread an okay place to make reports like that?  And was there more information I should have provided other than the screen from the .aircraft page?  Seems like that plus knowing which simulator I use gave you everything you needed, right?

Yep, everything you gave me is completely fine. It helped me find and hopefully fix the issue. This thread is fine for me. I'm not very strict on what is posted in here.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ross Carlson on March 31, 2018, 10:35:40 am
As for the model sinking into the ground, I have another HTAI Cessna 402c model that I'll give a try. I think using the current model.mdl may have caused it to sink.

You are probably already aware of this, but that could be a matter of the static_cg_height value not being set correctly in the aircraft.cfg. vPilot uses that value (along with the height of the terrain at the aircraft's location) to ensure that the model is never rendered at an altitude that would put the wheels below ground. It could also be a glitch in the scenery but that's less likely.

In any case, it's not an issue of scenery mismatch between the two users ... vPilot takes care of that as I described above.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Scott Gray on March 31, 2018, 12:36:46 pm
First, thank you for the tremendous effort that went into making this available!!! I followed the install instructions and installed into a different location than where P3D is installed and all installed fine. What I found though, was that that location was not added to the simobjects.cfg file, so it did not show up in vPilot. I manually added an cfg entry and it did show in vPilot and all seems to be working fine. Just wanted to provide a heads up that for some reason it wasn't added to the simobject.cfg.  Thanks again!!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Richard McDonald Woods on March 31, 2018, 02:13:49 pm
Many thanks for all of your hard work!
I have a problem. I am using P3Dv4.2.21.24048 with vPilot that I downloaded today after uninstalling the previous version.
I have Model Matching Custom Rules set to BVAModelMatchingP3D.vmr from my C:\Users\[name]\Documents\vPilot Files\BVAI\ and it clearly shows in the white box, but the Advanced tab still only shows SimObjects\Airplanes as 108 models, 96 identified.
What am I doing wrong?
Cheers, Richard
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on March 31, 2018, 03:46:56 pm
Richard -- try downloading the Beta version of vPilot. You'll need that for vPilot to recognize the P3D Add-on installation method. You can get this by choosing "Beta" under the "Updates" section of vPilot settings.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ross Carlson on March 31, 2018, 05:40:26 pm
I just promoted 2.1.11 to Stable, so now the beta and stable channels are the same. So you can keep your vPilot channel set to Stable if you want, and you'll now get 2.1.11 the next time you run it and perform the update.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ryan Ripley on March 31, 2018, 06:15:49 pm
Afternoon all! First off thank you for this amazing project! I am having some issuies tho. Am getting a multiple object duplicate error. I may be doing something wrong. maybe someone can help me point to the right direction!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on March 31, 2018, 06:37:28 pm
Afternoon all! First off thank you for this amazing project! I am having some issuies tho. Am getting a multiple object duplicate error. I may be doing something wrong. maybe someone can help me point to the right direction!

Hey Ryan,
    Just send me an e-mail to [email protected] concerning this issue. It's most likely an easy fix. If you could also send pictures of these exact duplicate errors to me I would appreciate it.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 01, 2018, 07:37:14 pm
Forums got moved around a bit. We’ll continue the public discussion here. For those who are wondering why the CRJ9 doesn’t work with the new version 5 update, I screwed up the wording in the aircraft.cfg. ;D

This has been fixed and will be available in the version 6 update within the next few days. 
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Richard McDonald Woods on April 02, 2018, 04:54:23 am
Thanks for the help.
I am now running with BVAI/vPilot. Seems excellent :)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jack Vince on April 02, 2018, 05:40:43 am
Hi guys, first of all what a great AI package you have created. However, one thing I would like to be confirmed is whether or not there is a Concorde model for P3d V4. I read somewhere that it would be included however on Vatsim Concordes are still showing up as the default CRJ. I looked in the simobjects folder and could find no Concorde file so any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys!  :)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Shane van Amson on April 02, 2018, 11:07:54 am
Hi,

The AI looks fantastic! thanks for this hard work.
I was wondering if at some point the Surinam airways A340-3 and B737-3 and 737-7 will be included (there are no pictures yet of the 737-7 on internet but when they are I can keep you guys updated on that).
I fly these often and it would be nice if people on Vatsim could see this airline in their sim.

Regards,
Shane
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 02, 2018, 03:39:22 pm
Hi guys, first of all what a great AI package you have created. However, one thing I would like to be confirmed is whether or not there is a Concorde model for P3d V4. I read somewhere that it would be included however on Vatsim Concordes are still showing up as the default CRJ. I looked in the simobjects folder and could find no Concorde file so any clarification would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks guys!  :)

Jack,
     You are correct. We did not include the Concorde in the BVAI, therefore it would show a default CRJ. Originally we did use the AIS Concorde, however during beta testing there was a 50/50 chance it would crash both P3D and FSX. We tried numerous methods to keep it from crashing flightsim, but none worked. The last thing we want is for someone to fly a long haul, only to have a loaded up Concorde crash their flight sim on short final. We're still trying to implement a Concorde model in BVAI, but it's gonna take further testing before we feel comfortable adding it.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 02, 2018, 03:55:34 pm
Hi,

The AI looks fantastic! thanks for this hard work.
I was wondering if at some point the Surinam airways A340-3 and B737-3 and 737-7 will be included (there are no pictures yet of the 737-7 on internet but when they are I can keep you guys updated on that).
I fly these often and it would be nice if people on Vatsim could see this airline in their sim.

Regards,
Shane

Shane,
        I will see if I can find Surinam A343, 733, and 737 liveries. If I can find them I will definitely add them. I know Flyingcarpet75 made them, but their website is down for maintenance right now.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Dave Hodges on April 02, 2018, 07:47:56 pm
I've been using this software now for several days and I can't say how impressed I've been!  It carries my highest recommendation.

I've done similar work (though not on the same scale) and beyond the ENORMOUS number of hours spent coordinating with AI modelers and repainters as well as coordinating the database itself, the team has done a first rate job with P3DV4 integration and the installer.  I literally didn't have to do a darned thing!

I've now decommissioned Ultimate Traffic Life and don't ever see going back to it!

Even immense thanks to the entire team falls far short of what they deserve, buy thank you guys VERY MUCH for all your time and hard work on this project!!!

My very best wishes to everyone.


Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on April 03, 2018, 04:00:45 am
The last thing we want is for someone to fly a long haul, only to have a loaded up Concorde crash their flight sim on short final.
Or in the near term, worse... during CTP....  :o
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Michael Scott on April 04, 2018, 10:58:45 am
A big congratulations to everyone involved with the project.

Began using BVAI shortly after release, with no problems during the install or setting it up.

In the sim the models look great and I have not come across any issues to report.

Very well done !!

 
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Szymon Puzdrowski on April 04, 2018, 11:35:16 am
(https://i.embed.ly/1/image?url=https%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FKgZzPZcAMiM%2Fhqdefault.jpg&key=b1e305db91cf4aa5a86b732cc9fffceb)


Sorry, I couldn't stop myself  ;D
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sean Doyle on April 04, 2018, 04:44:48 pm
MR,

Any plans to add the new ACA liveries? Also I’m guessing no B38M because the model isn’t readily available?

Finally noticed it wasn’t in the package  :D


Disregard, someone messed up the type code. I see it as a B738 now
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 04, 2018, 07:34:33 pm
I have gotten a handful of "unable to create ... will try to use a different model" error messages.  Should I be screen-grabbing those for reports?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 04, 2018, 08:16:05 pm
MR,

Any plans to add the new ACA liveries? Also I’m guessing no B38M because the model isn’t readily available?

Finally noticed it wasn’t in the package  :D


Disregard, someone messed up the type code. I see it as a B738 now

As per special request from Evan I repainted and added it. Although there isn’t a freeware AI 737 MAX yet, the one provided is close enough with the scimitars. It will model match in that livery to the B738, B38M, and B7M8.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 04, 2018, 08:27:52 pm
I have gotten a handful of "unable to create ... will try to use a different model" error messages.  Should I be screen-grabbing those for reports?

If you are getting a lot of error messages, it might be a conflict between BVAI and another AI package. If it’s just a handful please e-mail me them so I can look into it.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 05, 2018, 07:12:20 pm
I have gotten a handful of "unable to create ... will try to use a different model" error messages.  Should I be screen-grabbing those for reports?
If you are getting a lot of error messages, it might be a conflict between BVAI and another AI package. If it’s just a handful please e-mail me them so I can look into it.
No conflict; I removed all of my WoAI stuff before installing.  I've seen three or four of them since starting to use BVAI; I think a couple were related to one of the Embraer jets which I think I saw you comment about a typo in the ruleset.  They're not rampant but I would say more occasional than I'm used to seeing.  I'll grab snips of any more that I see and will send them your way.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Mike Willey on April 05, 2018, 08:25:18 pm
Ive had similar problems from time to time.  These are from tonight


[23:50:32] Failed to create aircraft ENY221 using model "BVA_AIM_E145_ENY-Envoy". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
[23:52:08] Flight plan filed.
[00:00:47] Failed to create aircraft ASQ2556 using model "BVA_AIM_E145_ASQ-ExpressJet UAL". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
[00:07:22] Failed to create aircraft LOF222 using model "BVA_AIM_E145_LOF-TransStates AAL". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
[00:07:43] Failed to create aircraft LOF222 using model "BVA_AIM_E145_LOF-TransStates LOF". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 06, 2018, 05:12:55 am
Rob and Mike,
    Thank you for bringing this up. I think I've found a typo within model matching that would cause an error with the E145's. It should now be all fixed with version 6 of BVAI.

Just a quick note with the E145's. They should show up with no issues in FSX. In P3D V4, they might not show up properly. In fact you'll most likely just see a tail instead of a whole E145 model. This is because the AIM E145 model has not been updated for P3D V4 like the older FS2004 AI models have. We have kept the E-145 in BVAI because there should be a fix for this soon. Until then it may look weird, but it will not harm flight sim. There aren't that many people that fly the E145 on Vatsim, so it's not a huge issue for the time being.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Mike Willey on April 06, 2018, 07:27:19 am
Thanks for all of the work on this MR.. The files are getting better and better ;)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jonathan Halverson on April 06, 2018, 07:49:48 am
I've had some issues with the E145 as well. I can see lights and the tail, but the rest of the model is missing.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 06, 2018, 02:46:06 pm
I've had some issues with the E145 as well. I can see lights and the tail, but the rest of the model is missing.

Yea, that's normal. Unfortunately, there is no other freeware Embraer 145 available for P3D V4. Once we do get the AIM E-145 P3D V4 model update we will add it right away. That should fix any abnormalities you see with the aircraft.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 06, 2018, 09:20:03 pm
Only one I saw tonight (v5 installed):
[00:49:11] Failed to create aircraft JBU260 using model "BVA_E75S_X". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 07, 2018, 12:04:46 am
Only one I saw tonight (v5 installed):
[00:49:11] Failed to create aircraft JBU260 using model "BVA_E75S_X". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.

Yea, that one is understandable. Without an E190 AI model there’s really nothing a JetBlue E190 on the network can model match to, thus it spits out that error. I’ll probably end up Model Matching any JetBlue E190’s to the JetBlue A320... even though it pains me to do that.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on April 07, 2018, 04:18:10 am
However, that error message indicates a problem with the .vmr file.  If one is getting that error, that means that there is a rule in the .vmr that is telling the sim to look for a BVA_E75S_X AI, yet there is no BVA_E75S_X AI included.  Suggest removing that rule from the .vmr file if the aircraft does not exist.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Shane van Amson on April 07, 2018, 05:46:18 am
Hi,

The AI looks fantastic! thanks for this hard work.
I was wondering if at some point the Surinam airways A340-3 and B737-3 and 737-7 will be included (there are no pictures yet of the 737-7 on internet but when they are I can keep you guys updated on that).
I fly these often and it would be nice if people on Vatsim could see this airline in their sim.

Regards,
Shane

Shane,
        I will see if I can find Surinam A343, 733, and 737 liveries. If I can find them I will definitely add them. I know Flyingcarpet75 made them, but their website is down for maintenance right now.

hi guys,

After some searching I found an link of flyingcarpet75 which included all AI's he made.
Here I found the Surinam livery's of the 733 and 343 only thing that is not updated on the 343 is that the reg is TCP and not TCR and the winglets have the Surinamese flag instead of the new flyslm.com paint.
These are the links of the repaints:

ftp://kamjunke.remotewebaccess.com/fc75/faib_733_slm_tcn_fsx.zip

ftp://kamjunke.remotewebaccess.com/fc75/ai_343slm_50y_fc.zip

Here you can see the difference a bit with the TCP and TCR.
TCP: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PZ-TCP_(13388775464).jpg

TCR: http://www.vanwageningen.net/picture/3710-20160514_036_surinam_airways_airbus_a340_313_pz_tcr_amsterdam_schiphol_nl

And this is the link where you can find al the repaints.

ftp://kamjunke.remotewebaccess.com/fc75


Hope I have helped you guys out enough.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 07, 2018, 06:05:14 am
@Shane,
           Thank you for the help! I couldn't find the link to FC75's repaints cause his site was on maintenance. I have added both the Surinam B733 and A343. You will see it in version 7 of BVAI.

@Don,
          Good point. I have deleted the Jetblue E190 line of code that is probably causing the error. That will be fixed in version 7 of BVAI.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Mike Willey on April 07, 2018, 08:00:58 am
I flew the FNO last night with version 6 with NO problems and all of the aircraft looked really nice.  I did see the JBU E190 issue at KJFK a little earlier so glad someone caught that.

All in All, a very incredible job by the BVA team.  This is what sets this ARTCC apart.  Thanks to all who worked on this..

Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 07, 2018, 12:16:47 pm
A suggestion for the Installer:

I updated from package v5 to v6 today by starting it and heading upstairs to put away some dishes.  When I came back down I expected to be all set, but, it was telling me that it had verified the files to update and was now awaiting my approval to update them, or it had downloaded them but was waiting my approval to install them, or something.  My question is, since the installer/updater seems to be pretty stable at this point, why not take out that two-click requirement?  Aside from testing to see if error messages appear, I'm not sure what the practical purpose of requiring user intervention is at that point.  I've verified the files for no other purpose than to download and install the updates :)

Just a thought!  Heed or ignore as you see fit.  Thanks!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 07, 2018, 08:11:28 pm
Another model match rule pointing to a non-existent model?
(https://i.imgur.com/vL5FyiJ.jpg)

By the way, I saw an Air Guard F-16 land in front of me at Augusta while I was holding short for departure.  AWESOME.  You guys have put together a fantastic package here.  You should be proud!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 08, 2018, 04:27:44 am
Rob,
    I'll ask Szymon about your first question. I think we added the two-click requirement just incase someone doesn't want to update at that point for some reason.

Thank you for pointing out the PC12 model matching error. This was caused because I named the default PC-12 texture "BVA_AIG_PC12_ZZZZ instead of BVA_AIG_PC12_X. It would've worked fine, but I added a hyphen in the PC12 model matching instead of an underscore. I guess that's what open beta is for! This will be fixed for version 7 of BVAI.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Krikor Hajian on April 12, 2018, 09:07:51 am
Our of curiosity, has the new "Rednose" callsign been added (NRS)? I guess Norwegian has something like five AOC's all with different callsigns and their UK one with "Rednose" just got approved.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on April 12, 2018, 03:34:10 pm
Our of curiosity, has the new "Rednose" callsign been added (NRS)? I guess Norwegian has something like five AOC's all with different callsigns and their UK one with "Rednose" just got approved.

Yep, that was added a few versions ago. Any NRS B788 or N789 will model match to a Norwegian Air Boeing 787.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Krikor Hajian on April 12, 2018, 03:34:57 pm
Our of curiosity, has the new "Rednose" callsign been added (NRS)? I guess Norwegian has something like five AOC's all with different callsigns and their UK one with "Rednose" just got approved.

Yep, that was added a few versions ago. Any NRS B788 or N789 will model match to a Norwegian Air Boeing 787.
Yay!


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Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ross Carlson on April 14, 2018, 02:21:16 pm
Running the latest version, I've received some errors where vPilot tries to use the Robinson R22 to render a helicopter. The default R22 is not usable as AI, so it should be removed from the VMR file.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on April 14, 2018, 03:21:16 pm
BVAI held up beautifully for me during CTP, Heathrow-Dulles.  No errors to report.  :-)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Philip McNiel on April 20, 2018, 03:49:39 am
I'm not a member of bvartcc (hence why I'm posting here), but I am an avid VATSIM user, and I have some questions about the new model set:

First, how does it affect frame rates compared with World of AI for someone using FSX?  WoAI's planes don't look quite as detailed or high-resolution, but I know that FSX-native models tend to give better frame rates in FSX.

Second, it appears you've done something that nobody else has done before:  Made an FSX-native, P3D-compatible model of the De Havilland/Bombardier Dash-8 Q400 that isn't expensive payware.  (Don't get me wrong--I'm not saying anything against Majestic, as they seem to have done a great job on what they set out to do; it's just that not all of us have the budget to justify spending money on luxuries such as high-end payware, let alone an upgrade to the old laptop I use to run FSX so as to handle such a detailed addon.)  Would it be both possible and permissible for someone to, at some point, make your Dash-8 flyable?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Nick Hesler on April 27, 2018, 02:03:35 pm
Is there a way to have BVAI work as regular AI traffic in single player off vatsim?
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Sean Doyle on April 27, 2018, 03:30:22 pm
Is there a way to have BVAI work as regular AI traffic in single player off vatsim?

No
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Dave Hodges on April 30, 2018, 10:54:18 am
You guys are going TREMENDOUS work!  Many thanks to each of you!
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jerry Taylor on May 12, 2018, 02:09:46 pm
Not sure if anyone else has discovered an issue trying to install BVAI.  But on a newly built Windows 10 system, fully patched with all available Win 10 updates, BVAI does seem to launch after install.  It appears the issue is a limitation of being able to install older versions of the .NET Framework.  It appears BVAI requires 4.5.2, but the newly patched Win 10 installs a newer package. 

Anyway, with this in mind....Will the new FLAi package (when released) work with fully patched Win 10 systems? 

Jerry
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Tommy Ondrey on May 16, 2018, 08:12:42 am
What default model should I use for BVAI? Model matching works fine it’s just the annoying beeping saying default model couldn’t be created.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on May 17, 2018, 05:09:19 am
What default model should I use for BVAI? Model matching works fine it’s just the annoying beeping saying default model couldn’t be created.

Totally up to you. I use the CRJ-700.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Don Desfosse on May 17, 2018, 03:21:42 pm
The annoying beeping comes as a result of you not having the default model set correctly in vPilot.  It has nothing to do with BVAI.  Most common issues related to that error is either you selected a default for a simulator you don't have, you deleted the aircraft that you have selected as a default, or you have used incorrect nomenclature to reference an aircraft in your aircraft library that you would like to use as a default.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on May 26, 2018, 10:13:40 pm
First non-helicopter-related error I've seen in a while now...

(https://i.imgur.com/NDep7M5.jpg)
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ross Carlson on May 27, 2018, 11:48:19 am
I received a few errors during calscream last night, one of which is the same as Rob just posted:

[02:29:40] Failed to create aircraft AWE2953 using model "BVA_FAIB_A319CFM_AAL-AmericanUW". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
[02:29:41] Failed to create aircraft CPZ6057 using model "BVA_RAI_E75L_CPZ-Compass". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
[02:29:50] Failed to create aircraft AWE2953 using model "BVA_FAIB_A319CFM_AAL-AmericanSL". The model may be corrupt or missing. vPilot will try to create the aircraft with a different model.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on May 29, 2018, 02:33:14 pm
Thanks for the reports! I have fixed the Compass and US Airways issues for the next version update.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Chris on May 30, 2018, 12:51:14 pm
Guys, any ideas? Win10 fully updated. BVAI had been installed and run without issues last month. Today when I run the BVAI Operations Center I am getting the verifying application requirements this make a few minutes and then window closed and nothing happens the Operations Center does not appear. Running the setu.exe again same results
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on May 30, 2018, 11:19:18 pm
One possible solution I have for you is to try to run BVAI as a standalone application instead of using the ClickOnce installer.
You can find a standalone download in my post (#69 on page 5) on our forums, here: http://forums.bvartcc.com/index.php?topic=14376.msg93707#msg93707

Let me know if this helped at all.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Kevin Finch on June 10, 2018, 08:49:51 am
So far, BVAI has been a total winner; no major issues. The only RW airline I'm seeing white bodies for is Olympic - OAL. Just finished some VATSIM flights in Greece, otherwise I probably wouldn't have run into that airline. A nice to have, not a need to have. Cheers and thanks to everyone for all their hard work on this software.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Abdulla AlAnsari on June 14, 2018, 01:44:26 pm
Hello,

i just installed BVAI, but when i try and get into the sim, an error pops up stating "multiple objects with the same title name, they must have unique title names"

is there a way to solve this, have i dont something wrong?

Thanks
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on June 14, 2018, 04:44:58 pm
Hello,

i just installed BVAI, but when i try and get into the sim, an error pops up stating "multiple objects with the same title name, they must have unique title names"

is there a way to solve this, have i dont something wrong?

Thanks

Please do a search of BVAI folders on your computer. You probably have two copies installed. If you do just delete one of them and you'll be good to go.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: christopher dicesare on June 26, 2018, 01:04:30 pm
Hello, I just downloaded BVAI and I am trying to add some repaints to them. I went about doing it the way I usually do it. Add the textures, then add the aircraft entry, change the numbers and then add it to P3D V4. I am also using UTL so I can add them into that program but when I check the manufacturer list then my repaints don't show up. The planes from BVAI are there but not mine. The models are great but I just wanted to add some special liveries specifically air asia. Can you help me with this?
Title: Thank you plus one question
Post by: Alessandro Usai on July 16, 2018, 02:31:12 am
Hi, I would congratulate with you for excellent works done with BVAI. I can only imagine how huge was/is to make and maintain this add-on.
I have one question: does BVAI works only when a VATSIM session is open or also offline?

Thanks in advance and, again, congrats.

Alessandro Usai
Title: Re: Thank you plus one question
Post by: Evan Reiter on July 16, 2018, 03:15:35 pm
I have one question: does BVAI works only when a VATSIM session is open or also offline?
The purpose of BVAI (and soon-to-be FLAi) is for VATSIM. We've designed the aircraft and model matching rules for vPilot. I've heard of some people who have used this AI traffic package with offline traffic packs, but that's something you would need to do at your own discretion as we haven't designed and cannot support this package for use in any way other than for VATSIM.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Kevin Finch on July 28, 2018, 10:57:53 am
I launched BVAI control panel this morning (7/28/2018), wanting to be current for Holland-America tomorrow, and I get a message that BVAI is discontinued in favour of its successor - FLAi - which we all knew was coming, thanks to ongoing communication from BVARTCC. BVAi has been a stellar package and the support has been outstanding. Kudos all around.

I clicked on Update on the BVAI Control Center, as was the direction in Logan Informer a few months ago, but it seems to hang on "Calculating file differences..." I understand that an update like this will take some time but it's been like that for over an hour. Closed the update and re-launched it; same result.

Really, launch an update of this magnitude the day before a major VATSIM event???

I'll try it again later today; hopefully, the bugs will have been worked out.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on July 28, 2018, 12:41:42 pm
Thanks for the comments Kevin. There haven't been any updates to BVAI in the last 2 months, so you aren't missing out on anything. For now, you won't be able to get access to FLAi as it's in the beta testing phase; and part of that includes disabling BVAI so we can ensure the transition is seamless once things are ready to go.

As long as you still have BVAI installed, you'll (most likely) have the latest version of the platform for the event tomorrow. If you plan to fly in that, I would strongly recommend you DON'T try anything with FLAi (even if it does get released) until after the event, just in case. I don't have an exact timeline for the FLAi release as it will depend on what the beta testers find. In theory, it could be released as early as tonight if we don't get any complaints.

Quote
Really, launch an update of this magnitude the day before a major VATSIM event???
We did look at timing but as you can imagine, there are large VATSIM events happening all the time. There's an FNO every week. We are trying to ensure that FLAi is fully released before Tea Party (our biggest event of the year), and this timing made sense with that goal in mind.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Kevin Finch on July 28, 2018, 10:12:48 pm
I guess I misunderstood the earlier directive; I thought running BVAI update would replace it with the new FLAi, which was not the case.

Regardless, I think I've got it all sorted. I found the FLAi update, started the install and then noticed: "Don't upgrade before a major event!"

Oh well, we'll see what level of mayhem I unleash when I sign on to Holland-America tomorrow.  ::)  Based on past experience, I'm thinking that FLAi will have fewer bugs than a Raid commercial.  ;D

Thanks for continuing to develop a much-needed aspect of our P3DV4 simming experience.
Title: Re: BVAI Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on July 30, 2018, 08:24:33 pm
Installed and tested (minimally) -- no issues to report so far.  The update ran much longer than I expected, but otherwise, all good!
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on August 01, 2018, 02:59:08 pm
I’ve removed the BVAI Operations Center, installed FLAI, set the install directory to the Prepare3D v4 Add-ons folder in the Documents library. I’ve installed the beta version of vPilot. vPilot does not detect any of the aircraft installed by FLAI, Prepar3D doesn’t show it in its add-on folder menu selection. Here is a picture of my add-ons folder:
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180801/0655cac1f6cf102e3a575fa8cf677420.jpg)

What am I doing wrong?




Lantz
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Richard Bonneau on August 01, 2018, 05:29:36 pm
I'm having the same issue as Lantz. 
I also added the FLAI VMR file in vPilot's custom rules.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lantz Wagner on August 01, 2018, 05:57:19 pm
Same for me Richard.


Lantz
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Richard Bonneau on August 01, 2018, 06:50:15 pm
Ryan provided some quick assistance.....
I installed the "no dynamic lighting models".

Try manually adding the following to your simobjects.cfg file in your C:\ProgramData\Lockheed Martin\Prepar3D v4 folder:

[Entry.??] <-------- change to the next available number
Title=FLAI
Path="F:\P3Dv4 Addons\FLAI\SimObjects\Airplanes"   <-------- change to where you installed FLAI
Required=False
Active=True
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lindsey Wiebe on August 05, 2018, 09:43:47 pm
Hi There, thanks for making this product it's really needed. One issue i'm seeing is vPilot is not recognizing or finding some models... I've determined it's due to the "title" of the model which vPilot uses to "make" the aircraft. The vmr has all "FLAi_..." but the vmr is looking for "BVA_MFAI_C510_ZZZZ".
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on August 06, 2018, 06:17:57 am
Hi There, thanks for making this product it's really needed. One issue i'm seeing is vPilot is not recognizing or finding some models... I've determined it's due to the "title" of the model which vPilot uses to "make" the aircraft. The vmr has all "FLAi_..." but the vmr is looking for "BVA_MFAI_C510_ZZZZ".

Great catch! I have fixed this and added it to the next update. Expect it to be correct in version 11.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Bob Lee on August 12, 2018, 12:32:39 pm
Hello. Thanks for FLAi. vPilot has an error. Failed to create aircraft using models for DC10-10, DC10-30, MD-11
Callsign on vatsim WGN
Bob
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Bob Lee on August 15, 2018, 03:40:45 pm
Hello again. Are you planning to include a Concorde AI model I find them flying on VATSim often. Bob
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Lindsey Wiebe on August 26, 2018, 04:39:08 pm
Some of the models I only see nav lights... this using FSX and build 11 of FLAi
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on August 27, 2018, 05:19:01 am
Some of the models I only see nav lights... this using FSX and build 11 of FLAi

We are aware that some models are invisible, and are working on fixing this with each version update. Eventually, we will fix every invisible model. The best thing you can do is report any invisible models using the feedback section of https://flai.app/.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Ada on August 30, 2018, 09:04:28 am
Hi, i recently downloaded the model mathes and it works great except for it showing Default A321 and invisible B777's by appearing with just nav lights
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on August 30, 2018, 10:28:40 pm
Hi, i recently downloaded the model mathes and it works great except for it showing Default A321 and invisible B777's by appearing with just nav lights

Check your e-mail.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Luke Smith on September 02, 2018, 03:37:55 pm
Hi, i recently downloaded the model mathes and it works great except for it showing Default A321 and invisible B777's by appearing with just nav lights
I actually have the same exact problem with the invisible 77W's. Would appreciate feedback on some sort of resolution. But everything else works just flawlessly.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on September 03, 2018, 05:55:38 pm
Hi, i recently downloaded the model mathes and it works great except for it showing Default A321 and invisible B777's by appearing with just nav lights
I actually have the same exact problem with the invisible 77W's. Would appreciate feedback on some sort of resolution. But everything else works just flawlessly.

The 77W's will be fixed in the FLAI Version 12 update. It was really a matter of adding an updated MDL model and fixing the model.cfg. You can expect the update in the next few days on the FLAI Ops Center.
Title: question
Post by: Shaun Deniston on September 10, 2018, 05:31:42 pm
Hi! I currently used to operation center to install, my root is sent to my FSX folder but all my planes are white, did I do something wrong?
Title: Re: question
Post by: Evan Reiter on September 10, 2018, 11:35:41 pm
Hi! I currently used to operation center to install, my root is sent to my FSX folder but all my planes are white, did I do something wrong?
Hi Shaun,

Could you clarify the issue: are you seeing the same white aircraft in all cases, or are you seeing different types of aircraft, but they are all white?

A few things you can try to check:
1. Do you have the .vmr file installed within vPilot (and is the file enabled)?
2. Have you modified any of the files or made any changes to the install?
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jack Vince on September 15, 2018, 03:03:12 pm
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to check to make sure im not going mad. In the last version of BVAI all aircraft with the SHT call sign would show in BA livery (Domestic callsign). However, since downloading FLAI they simply show as default commercial aircraft. Any ideas anyone?

Many Thanks  :)
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Matthew Miller on September 15, 2018, 07:09:18 pm
Hey Guys,

Just wanted to check to make sure im not going mad. In the last version of BVAI all aircraft with the SHT call sign would show in BA livery (Domestic callsign). However, since downloading FLAI they simply show as default commercial aircraft. Any ideas anyone?

Many Thanks  :)

You’re not going mad. Just add the FLAi model matching VMR file located in your documents\Vpilot Files folder to your Vpilot Custom Model Matching settings and you’ll be all set.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Bill Kunzler on September 26, 2018, 10:29:05 am
Hi,
I have downloaded FLAi  and am very pleased with the results. An amazing array of liveries!
I do, however, get repeated red error notices on vPILOT with a booping noise each time and it reads "Failed to create aircraft....corrupt or missing files   and it always refers to WoA aircraft. I have downloaded and installed some WoA aircraft in the past but this was for FSX Boxed and I have since changed to Steam Edition. I can find some old WoA zipped files in my 'Downloads' folder and wonder if they are somehow the cause of the problem.
I also still have the BVA model matching .vmr in the custom rule sets  (as well as the FLAi .vmr). Should this now be deleted?
Thanks
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on September 26, 2018, 04:50:22 pm
I also still have the BVA model matching .vmr in the custom rule sets  (as well as the FLAi .vmr). Should this now be deleted?
Hi Bill -- try deleting the BVAModelMatching.vmr file. You don't need both. That will likely resolve the vPilot error messages you mentioned. If it doesn't, let me know. In theory, it would also be wise to delete all of the BVA models themselves. You will probably find them in your SimObjects\Airplanes folder. However, that's a bit of a process, and you don't want to accidentally delete a real model. So, maybe try removing the BVAModelMatching.vmr file first, and see whether that resolves the issue.

If it doesn't, feel free to post back here and we can try to walk through removing the old BVA Model Matching models, which are now obsolete (all are already in FLAi).
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Bill Kunzler on September 29, 2018, 01:16:46 am
Thanks Evan, that's stopped all the messages.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Jason on September 29, 2018, 10:20:18 am
just downloaded and installed this into P3dv4 Dynamic Lighting. Every time i load the sim i get "multiple aircraft with the same title name" and have to click ok though the thousand's of messages before i can get into P3D. I've installed FLAi just as described in the install me and added the appropriate vmr file to vpilot. any suggestions?
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on September 30, 2018, 08:58:35 pm
Sounds like there is some duplication. Did you have the old BVA Model Matching installed prior to FLAi?

I'm sure there are a lot of duplicates. Can you find the name of one, and then try to see where it's duplicated? For example, if the duplicate is an American Boeing 737, you'll need to figure out where in your simulator's aircraft library the American Boeing 737 is. There likely will be two separate folders in two separate directories but that have the same contents, and you'll have to remove one of them.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Giorgio Zucchetti on October 02, 2018, 08:40:33 am
Hello,

I've just downloaded the package and I quickly connected at Frankfurt just to check if everything was ok. There was plenty of traffic so I managed to see that most of models work correctly and they're pretty nice, however all the A321s were showing in the default white livery. What's wrong?

FYI I'm using FSX Steam edition

Regards

Giorgio
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on October 02, 2018, 07:37:44 pm
Hi Giorgio, it's very strange that only one aircraft wouldn't work, assuming everything has been installed properly. I'm wondering if it's possible that there were a number of users who hadn't used a proper callsign/typecode combination.

Could you test it again in a different area and see whether you have the same result with the A321? If so, please check the actual user's flight plan / information and let us know which airline the user was flying, and what the type code displays as.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Rob Shearman Jr on October 03, 2018, 02:10:16 pm
It's also possible that those guys were signed on as A321s for an airline that doesn't really have A321s.  Of course, this is perfectly okay in VATSIM, but, FLAi would not have an appropriate livery to slap on it.

If you go into vPilot and type ".aircraft" it will display a list of nearby planes and what they're matched as.  If you screenshot that and post it, that might help the developers &/or community members (and other general know-it-alls like myself, haha) determine what happened.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: 890314 on January 07, 2019, 06:16:42 pm
Thanks for a super addition to our enjoyment of simming.

When FLAI updates via the latest OPS Centre does it add any livery additions to a model's aircraft.cfg or overwrite the existing one with a new one?
The reason I ask is that I use several different ai sounds, rather than stock, for individual types and will have to edit each model's soundai folder and also add soundai= to the General Section in the aircraft cfg.

Norm 
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Szymon Puzdrowski on January 08, 2019, 05:25:48 pm
Thanks for a super addition to our enjoyment of simming.

When FLAI updates via the latest OPS Centre does it add any livery additions to a model's aircraft.cfg or overwrite the existing one with a new one?
The reason I ask is that I use several different ai sounds, rather than stock, for individual types and will have to edit each model's soundai folder and also add soundai= to the General Section in the aircraft cfg.

Norm

Hi Norm,

The FLAi OPS Center does not modify any user files. It only downloads FLAi files (including aircraft.cfg files) into their respective folders. However, it does overwrite FLAi create files.

Is it possible that you've edited some of the FLAi files manually and those got overwritten when you updated to the latest version?

Regards,
Szymon.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: 890314 on January 10, 2019, 04:19:39 pm
OK thanks. I will have edit each aircraft cfg file to include soundai= in the General section and change the path in the soundai.cfg inside the Soundai folder.

No big deal really I just don't like to hear a lawn mower taxying past me  ;D

Norm
Title: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions
Post by: John Spitzer on March 03, 2019, 09:20:51 pm
All these FLAi models are great stuff.  But I fly, with others in the environment, many GA aircraft (those produced by Carenado and A2A) and find that there just are not many GA models in the file.  So when we are flying say a Comanche or a Rockwell 114 we get a PA28-140 or if we are in a Skylane we get a C172.  It would sure heighten the realism if there were some representative models for popular GA planes as well.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Norman on March 14, 2019, 07:47:55 am
I'm getting an error when trying to download the operations center, I already have it installed, but had to reinstall P3DV4... 1. It won't let me uninstall the operations center from my computer it says it's already gone. I try to re-download it from the site and get this error.... Any help?
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Paul Biderman on March 14, 2019, 10:19:17 pm
Is there a "slimmed down" version of FLAI?  Ever since installing it for P3D v.4 it takes forever to get through the initial splash screen, to the screen where you select your aircraft, etc.  Like 10 minutes.  Once it load it works fine, but the loading time is absurdly slow now.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Szymon Puzdrowski on March 16, 2019, 08:07:40 pm
I'm getting an error when trying to download the operations center, I already have it installed, but had to reinstall P3DV4... 1. It won't let me uninstall the operations center from my computer it says it's already gone. I try to re-download it from the site and get this error.... Any help?

My google search yielded this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista/dll-is-either-not-designed-to-run-on-windows-or-it/96e04287-7e81-49ab-afe5-f44449dd8322?fbclid=IwAR1jW8ZnqMSYQu6JrFEwtI567isxHg4gAcob7fnDjpWRIooDFY5EPR7ni3o

Check it out and please let us know if it helped.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on March 16, 2019, 08:17:13 pm
I'm getting an error when trying to download the operations center, I already have it installed, but had to reinstall P3DV4... 1. It won't let me uninstall the operations center from my computer it says it's already gone. I try to re-download it from the site and get this error.... Any help?

My google search yielded this:

https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_vista/dll-is-either-not-designed-to-run-on-windows-or-it/96e04287-7e81-49ab-afe5-f44449dd8322?fbclid=IwAR1jW8ZnqMSYQu6JrFEwtI567isxHg4gAcob7fnDjpWRIooDFY5EPR7ni3o

Check it out and please let us know if it helped.
Norman, to echo Szymon's post, we have not had a report with this error in the past. I suspect it would be something specific to your installation. Have you had that error with any other software?
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on March 16, 2019, 08:18:26 pm
Is there a "slimmed down" version of FLAI?  Ever since installing it for P3D v.4 it takes forever to get through the initial splash screen, to the screen where you select your aircraft, etc.  Like 10 minutes.  Once it load it works fine, but the loading time is absurdly slow now.
We have not received a complaint like this from other users. Anyone else here on P3D v4 experience similar?

At the moment, I'm not aware of any interest/effort from the developers to create a "lite" version of FLAi. In fact, we're getting requests for more airlines and liveries on a regular basis. There has been talk of creating a selection option that would allow users to pick and choose which liveries/types are installed but currently nothing is in development.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Paul Biderman on March 16, 2019, 10:29:58 pm
I think an option to select what you want to install would be great.  I will say that today I uninstalled FLAi and reinstalled it and now P3D seems to load much faster.  Maybe there was a problem with my initial install?  Though I've only loaded it once since this morning.  About to go fire it up again.  If I continue to have issues I'll post again.
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Chris Lezama on May 09, 2019, 12:06:57 pm
Hi Guys,

I am getting a few content errors from FLAI that I assume are easy fixes. Could these be corrected in the next version?

[error.129]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_aiafterburner_trdm29.fx
 Section:ParticleAttributes.9
 Key:FPS

[error.130]
error=Duplicate Section Name
File: D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_aismoke_trd.fx
Section: Emitter.1

[error.131]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_aismoke_trd.fx
 Section:Particle.1
 Key:Z Scale

[error.132]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_aismoke_trd.fx
 Section:ParticleAttributes.2
 Key:Color Start

[error.133]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_nicksmokeai_747.fx
 Section:Emitter.2
 Key:Drag

[error.134]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_nicksmokeai_747.fx
 Section:ParticleAttributes.2
 Key:Color Start

[error.135]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_nicksmokeai_sm_lear.fx
 Section:Particle.1
 Key:Z Scale

[error.136]
error=Found Duplicate Key Name
 File:D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\Effects\fx_nicksmokeai_sm_lear.fx
 Section:ParticleAttributes.2
 Key:Color Start

[error.139]
error=Duplicate Section Name
File: D:\Prepar3D v4\FLAi\SimObjects\Airplanes\FLAi_B77L\aircraft.cfg
Section: fltsim.18


Thanks,
Chris
Title: Re: FLAi Questions, Concerns, Suggestions...
Post by: Evan Reiter on May 11, 2019, 08:43:54 pm
Hi Chris, thanks for the post. I believe the team is aware of these errors and is looking at correcting them for the next version. However, I've sent along the link just in case.